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The Upside To Plunging Off The Fiscal Cliff

Originally published on Fri November 16, 2012 11:17 am

Now that the election is over, Washington is transfixed by the fiscal cliff, the automatic tax increases and spending cuts due to take effect Jan. 1 if nothing is done.

The sudden shock could seriously damage the economy.

But some Democrats and policy analysts are suggesting that going over the fiscal cliff could help break the political logjam.

Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vt., says it's not his first option, but he thinks Democrats should be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if Republicans continue to refuse to raise taxes.

"I think the Democrats have to take advantage of the fact that there is leverage here," Welch says.

Washington Democratic Sen. Patty Murray holds a similar view, as does liberal commentator Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize-winning economist.

The leverage provided by a fiscal plunge includes the threat to Republicans that one of their biggest legislative accomplishments of the past decade, the Bush-era tax cuts, would automatically be rolled back.

William Gale, co-director of the Tax Policy Center, also thinks a ride over the fiscal cliff is a viable strategy. Despite the serious risks to the economy, he says it could change the terms of the debate and create a path to taming the nation's deficits.

"If we do go over the cliff, lawmakers will be on a budget path that deals with the deficit quite well over the medium term and the long term," Gale says.

That's because there would be a huge amount of revenue added to the budget if the Bush tax cuts expire. That would reduce the deficit significantly. The same goes for the cuts in domestic spending, including defense, that are part of the fiscal cliff. Those cuts would also substantially trim projected deficits for years to come.

"Going over the fiscal cliff does the dirty work that Congress has so far been unwilling to do," Gale says.

He thinks Congress would quickly tidy up the dirty work.

If lawmakers don't like the indiscriminate across-the-board cuts in defense spending or the national parks or Amtrak, he says, they could be renegotiated early next year.

The higher tax rates on the wealthy that would come with the end of the Bush tax cuts could be lowered in exchange for ending some deductions for the rich. That's something Republicans could vote for.

There's a silver lining for Republicans in this, Gale says. They would not be forced to vote for a tax increase. In fact, any votes on taxes after the fiscal plunge would more likely be votes for tax cuts, like restoring the Bush tax cuts for the middle class — something both President Obama and the Republicans want.

But there is danger for the economy in this strategy.

"There are problems with going over the fiscal cliff, and I don't want to minimize them," Gale says. In the short term, he says, the economy "would take a hit, and I think we should enact a stimulus package to avoid that."

Gale suggests a package that includes tax rebates and an extension of the payroll tax holiday that's also set to expire Jan. 1. He says federal aid to the states should also be part of a stimulus.

There are concerns about the reaction in financial markets if the U.S. goes over the fiscal cliff. In the first two days after the election, that prospect helped push U.S. stocks down more than 3 percent.

Gale has this response: "It seems to me if we're making moves that are helping the economy in the short run via stimulus and getting ourselves on a good long-term budget path via going over the fiscal cliff, that that's exactly what markets are looking for."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, suggested Friday that the two sides should push back the fiscal cliff to provide time to reach a grand budget agreement later in 2013.

In his remarks Friday, Obama gave no indication he was prepared to do that.

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ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

Now that the election is over, Washington shifts its focus to the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts due to take effect on January 1st. If Congress allows that to happen, the shock could seriously damage the economy. But some Democrats and policy analysts suggest it could also do some good by breaking a political logjam. NPR's economics correspondent John Ydstie has that story.

JOHN YDSTIE, BYLINE: Peter Welch, congressman from Vermont, says it's not his first option, but he thinks Democrats should be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if Republicans continue to refuse to raise taxes.

REPRESENTATIVE PETER WELCH: I think the Democrats have to take advantage of the fact that there is leverage here.

YDSTIE: Washington Senator Patty Murray holds a similar view as does liberal commentator Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize-winning economist. The leverage provided by a fiscal plunge includes the threat to Republicans that one of their biggest legislative accomplishments of the past decade, the Bush-era tax cuts, would automatically be rolled back. William Gale, co-director of the Tax Policy Center, also thinks a ride over the fiscal cliff is a viable strategy. Despite the serious risks to the economy, he says it could change the terms of the debate and create a path to taming the nation's deficits.

WILLIAM GALE: If we do go over the cliff, lawmakers will be on a budget path that deals with the deficit quite well over the medium term and the long term.

YDSTIE: That's because there would be a huge amount of revenue added to the budget if the Bush tax cuts expire. That would reduce the deficit significantly. The same goes for the cuts in domestic spending, including defense, that are part of the fiscal cliff. Those cuts would also substantially trim projected deficits for years to come.

GALE: So going over the fiscal cliff does the dirty work that Congress so far has been unwilling to do.

YDSTIE: Gale thinks Congress would quickly tidy up the dirty work. He says if lawmakers don't like the indiscriminate across-the-board cuts in defense spending or the national parks or Amtrak, they could be renegotiated early next year. The higher tax rates on the wealthy that would come with the end of the Bush tax cuts could be lowered in exchange for ending some deductions for the rich. That's something Republicans could vote for. There is a silver lining for Republicans in this, says Gale.

They would not be forced to vote for a tax hike. In fact, any votes on taxes after the fiscal plunge would more likely be votes for tax cuts, like restoring the Bush tax cuts for the middle class, something both the president and the Republicans want. But there is danger for the economy in this strategy, says Bill Gale.

GALE: There are problems with going to the fiscal cliff, and I don't want to minimize them like the short term economy would take a hit. And I think we should enact a stimulus package to avoid that.

YDSTIE: Gale suggests a package that includes tax rebates and an extension of the payroll tax holiday that's also set to expire January 1st. He says aid to states should also be a part of the stimulus. There are concerns about the reaction in financial markets if the U.S. goes over the fiscal cliff. And in the first two days after the election, that prospect helped push U.S. stocks down more than 3 percent. Gale has this response.

GALE: It seems to me if we're making moves that are helping the economy in the short run via stimulus and getting ourselves on a good long-term budget path going over the fiscal cliff that that's exactly what markets are looking for.

YDSTIE: House Speaker John Boehner suggested today that the two sides should push back the fiscal cliff in order to provide time to reach a grand budget agreement later in 2013. In his remarks today, President Obama gave no indication he was prepared to do that. John Ydstie, NPR News, Washington. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.